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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Triton method

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04 Mar 2016 14:20 #1 by Jonlate
Triton method was created by Jonlate
Has anyone on here tried the triton method yet?
I noticed that Neil (Hammie) gets his water test done by them under the post 'cleanup crew for bare bum tank'
I have googled it but there doesn't seem to be much info on how much it actually costs to run or set up.
Any reason why it should be used, or why it should be avoided? Can you switch back to a normal setup if you don't like it? Can you use it on a new setup? Etc etc.
Who is using it? What are your thoughts?

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08 Mar 2016 23:52 #2 by jeff
Replied by jeff on topic Triton method
Getting a triton test done twice a year is a good way to see how the tank is running if your tank is fully loaded with corals, it's a great way of seeing if some elements are getting zapped through growth of certain corals depending what you keep
These elements can be added to stabilise things without running the full triton method

I personally think it's bonkers not to do water changes
After all its only a glass box of the same water going round and round and round
The amount of elements in a bucket of salt to me is nowhere near the few elements that you add through this method
Many may disagree with me, but I just don't get it as it's a tiny box of water getting zapped every day, if it's loaded with corals

And fresh is best!!!

Where the tongue slips, it speaks the truth.

A life making mistakes is not only more honourable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing at all.

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09 Mar 2016 01:36 #3 by igmillichip
Replied by igmillichip on topic Triton method
Maybe this is good topic for discussion as a whole.

I see flaws with some of the basic principles with the Triton method; but I see flaws with some of the main internet arguments against it.

ian

Irish Tropical Fish Society (ITFS) Member.

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09 Mar 2016 07:43 #4 by hammie
Replied by hammie on topic Triton method
Their tests are very good for getting a clear indication of how your tanks running and if there's a problem you can't see!
I like their tests but I don't run the triton system! I have no sump and I actually enjoy water changes!
On a whole I am not sure of the setup costs but from what I can gather it's more expensive on setup but overall not much price difference in maintenance (depending on what setup and stock you have etc)
I don't have an issue with the method per se , but adding chemicals to balance out something that water changes would do too kinda goes against my grain to be honest!
If your not doing water changes your not removing poo etc
If your not removing poo then it builds up and I would imagine (maybe wrongly) that eventually to kep your Base line steady you have to start using more and more of the elements?

Anyway I'm a traditional kinda guy and until someone can tell me definitively that it's healthier for fish and corals I'll stick to what I'm doing now!!!!!

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10 Mar 2016 00:26 #5 by carlowchris
Replied by carlowchris on topic Triton method
Triton is a good method but it's kind of designed really for use in other countries

Ireland would probly fit into the state of Texas aboutt 20.Times.

Now if ya lived there and the nearest Lfs was 2 days drive away...triton would world work very well...

Triton is a man made chemical based way of running a fish tank...relies on dosing and is only a relatively new method.

Lots of salts out there.
Red sea is a natural salt harvest from the ocean and tropical marine is a chemical salt made in a factory..both give good results

The only real desicion is what do you want?????

All the best tanks I've seen .....none of them run triton.

There tests how ever can be usefull.

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27 Mar 2016 08:48 #6 by Bohrio
Replied by Bohrio on topic Triton method
I considered doing the triton method some time ago but went against it in the end. The only reason why is because IMO there are better methods or at least, less artificial ones, out there.

Living in an apartment and having a relatively big tank in it I thought it would be a good idea to minimize water changes hence why I started looking at other filtration/water treatment methods.

The idea of not changing the water in an aquarium, as crazy as it might sound, is not a new idea. People have been doing this for many years with great success. However it seems a relatively unknown thing here in Ireland (as most innovative stuff).

There are countless examples out there of people not using skimmers, UV, not doing water changes for years and having great success, however, it is something only advanced aquarist should attempt to do, or at least people with a basic understanding of water chemistry and biological cycle/process in a marine aquarium

It is not hard to find people out there who has not made a water change in several years, for instance look at this video below



The reason why I discarded the triton method is because I dont like having to depend on adding additives to the tank to maintain safe water parameters levels. I find it a bit unnatural although I dont doubt it works I just dont like having to depend on stuff to maintain that perfect balance.

Instead I went for what I believe is a much natural solution, an algae scrubber, the tank in the video above uses an algae scrubber, no skimmer, just carbon.

How I came up with this idea or thought was a couple of years ago when I stopped looking after my previous tank because I had other personal issues that required my attention. During this period an shinny algae film started growing on the back wall of my aquarium, back then I couldn't be bothered cleaning it so I let it grow, all I did with the tank is feed the fish every now and then and that's it, I went without a water change for months, maybe I did 2-3 water changes in 1 year. To my surprise nothing in the aquarium died, in fact, everything/one looked very happy. So after I went back to looking after my aquarium I went ahead and cleaned the back film of algae, within a week I had a massive algae break, hair algae everywhere, diatoms etc.

Back then I didnt know what could have caused that, so I kept doing water changes and added NoPox. Didnt make much of a difference. So after some thinking I decided to let that algae film grow again, within 2 weeks all the algae was gone. This is when I started looking into algae scrubbers as they follow the same principal, uses algae to filter the excess of nutrients in the water (nitrates, phosphates etc).

However I can't recommend an algae scrubber as I have yet to try it myself. I am getting one built at the minute and it should be ready by the end of April beginning of May.

My aim is not to not do water changes but to minimize it, it will be a slow learning curve but if I can also remove the skimmer to free up some space in the sump then great!

One of the best things about algae scrubbers is that you dont have to worry about overfeeding and that it only requires maintenance once a week, but this is also its con, you need to clean it once a week otherwise you will mess everything up. Cleaning it is a simple process that takes no more than 2 minutes (just scrapping one of the sides of the scrubber's mesh). Anyway I am not here to talk about the scrubber just wanted to give you my input regarding the no water changes idea.

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