Suggestions on Vision 180 rescape

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18 Jan 2016 09:45 #1 by davet (Dave Treacy)
Hi,
I've had my tank for about 8 years now but I think it needs a change. Have always run it as an easy setup (no CO2) planted tropical but it's in need of a overhaul but not sure where I want to start. It's gone from very heavily planted to not so heavily. As it is now as seen in the picture that is the most bare it has ever been.





The Jewel 3D background has been on it since I first set it up and I'm in 2 minds on taking it out and cleaning it back and painting the rear black or a blue shade. I have plenty of bogwood to rescape it along with stone. I've always wanted to do a better planted setup with carpeting plants. The inhabitants of the community tank are 1 bristlenose pleco (old girl at 7 years), 1 SAE, 25 cardinals, 8 harlequin rasbora, 4 Amano shrimp and the odd miscellaneous tropical.

Any suggestions on removing the 3D or not, likewise stepping up to a proper CO2 system (hopefully small enough cash wise) or even likewise suggestions for what plants and where would be much appreciated.

Thanks for looking,
Dave
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19 Jan 2016 20:48 - 19 Jan 2016 20:48 #2 by helix8008 (Tomas Novak)
I would personaly remove the 3d and replace with frosted window film (see my tank) but obviously it depend on your taste.

If you go for co2 some carpeting plant would be nice like hc cuba. Other than hat is up to you if you want heave planted or something simple clean looking.

I would add more sae, some otos and maybe horned snails to have algae under control in case of inbalance of co2/fert/light.

Tom
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20 Jan 2016 09:47 #3 by davet (Dave Treacy)
From what I can see in the profile it looks good and impressive landscape by the way (jealous) with your use of the red tinted plants in the background. Thanks for the suggestions also will certainly look into the film idea.

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04 Feb 2016 17:04 #4 by davet (Dave Treacy)
Followed up on Tom suggestion of the frosted window film background which I have to say was an epic suggestion Tom so thanks again. You asked for a few pics so please see below.

You've already seen the tank as it was with the Jewel 3D background. Removed that without too much trouble using a decorators knife then scraped the rest of the silicone off with a stanley blade scraper. Next was to clean the glass on the outside and then decided to remove the internal filter as I could see what looked to be moss type balls of fish waste where the internal heater compartment was.



Put the internal filter back in with new silicone and even siliconed the cage for the JWL heater as it kept detaching in the old setup.



After the silicone cured next was the hardscape. I'd been out at Seahorse to get the silicone and it was quiet so John gave me some great advice based on what my plans were for the scape. I had the Monado substrate in the old setup. This is now replaced with Amazonia and sand. Built up the mound over some tupperware plastic tubs filled with stone and hole to let water in and air out.



Next was the sand boarder.



Had hoped to dry plant the aquarium but the spare tank I'd been keeping the fish in had a big ammonia spike and I lost my 7 year old Bristlenose :-((



Next thing I need is to figure out how to plant the scape. I'll be doing with EasyCarbo via pump so will have to be simple enough.

Dave

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04 Feb 2016 17:35 #5 by gunnered72 (Eddy Gunnered)
Looks awesome...plenty of potential!

Just a word of warning! In case your not aware....

Be very wary of keeping bottom dwelling fish, sand sifters (cichlids) and fish that tend to dig with that scape....Your pristine sand will be destroyed with Amazonia soil....And it will drive you nuts trying to keep it clean....

But you probably know this already! :P

Sorry if im being a know it all LOL

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09 Feb 2016 21:01 #6 by davet (Dave Treacy)
All too aware used to keep Kribs and they were devils. Sorting out an ammonia problem currently even in new tank layout but levels are dropping

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10 Feb 2016 22:41 #7 by ger310 (Ger .)

davet wrote: All too aware used to keep Kribs and they were devils. Sorting out an ammonia problem currently even in new tank layout but levels are dropping


I have something that will help with that ammonia problem Dave........i'll be around tomorrow ok

Ger

What do you call a three legged Donkey?

A Wonkey....duh ha :)

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10 Feb 2016 23:20 #8 by davet (Dave Treacy)
Tests are back at zero yesterday and today .... daily water changes did the trick the past few days. Thanks for the offer all the same Ger

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11 Feb 2016 00:17 #9 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Im gonna say the black paint background would work well...certaintly avoid a blue background,on tropical fresh i think blue doesnt work vs the colours of the tropical fish..marines are a little different but again that blue background in a marine will discolour anyhow.I think black is good personally but everyone has different opinions.In terms of planting layout,given you have already done previously you will know what level of planting works without co2..however adding ferts can be great for lower maintenance plants...you can have a very green tank just with ferts and lightening if co2 doesnt suit you.

Gavin

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11 Feb 2016 08:01 - 11 Feb 2016 08:02 #10 by gunnered72 (Eddy Gunnered)
Dave if your not gonna go the injected Co2 route may I suggest you go for the daily addition of Easy Life "Easy Carbo" liquid Co2......I find it amazing for not just lusher plant growth but also as an algae deterrent....It helps almost eliminate Algae.....In fact alot of planted tank specialists use it in conjunction with injected Co2 for that exact reason....

Obviously you use along with your liquid ferts......

www.easylife.nl/en/freshwater/easycarbo

Hope im not preaching to the choir here :crazy:
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11 Feb 2016 08:58 #11 by davet (Dave Treacy)
Yes that's been my plan to use Easy Carbo via small daily pump route to keep the levels kind of constant. Still would like some suggestions on plants if you can think of any?

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11 Feb 2016 09:02 #12 by davet (Dave Treacy)
Black painted route is gone now Gavin. Now that I have the frosted film on it as shown in the photos I have to say I'm blown away with how well it looks and works from Tom's suggestion. Layouts I've done before have been a mix of swords and anubias and others. Would like to start a new on this one if you might be able to suggest something

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11 Feb 2016 09:20 #13 by gunnered72 (Eddy Gunnered)
I have found nearly all the plants in the Tropica Easy and Medium range will grow pretty well with just liquid ferts, liquid Co2 and good lighting....

You could try the plants from the Advanced range but i doubt your gonna have any luck unless you inject Co2 and dose with specialised macro nutrients......

All these plants are available from other suppliers at a cheaper price...Im just using the Tropica guide here as a reference....

tropica.com/en/plants/?tabIndex=1&alias=Easy

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11 Feb 2016 22:21 - 11 Feb 2016 22:23 #14 by helix8008 (Tomas Novak)
Great job Dave, glad you like the frosted backround. Its really nice especially if you manage to put it without any bubbles (took me few attempts :crazy: )

I would suggest to use gravel or crushed rocks same as you use for hardscape as divider between sand and substrate. It will make it easier to keep substrate from spoiling your sand. Bigger gravel on substrate side, finer gravel on sand size to blend in.

Also nice piece of wood with attached moss would lift up the hardscape ;)
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12 Feb 2016 18:49 #15 by davet (Dave Treacy)
Thanks Tom I used the simple trick of spraying the glass with water that had 2 drops of washing up liquid in it then when you place the film it doesn't stick and is movable etc. Then just a fairly firm squeegee from the centre out to the edges removes any water along with air bubbles and she sticks then no bother .... up there for dancing B)

Done a good bit more work on it since last picture on planting and I'm OK with the substrate spilling over onto the sand for it's easy enough to fan it back but will look at smaller rock dividers.



Even Buddha approves ... more tweaking in the coming weeks I'm sure and find another piece other than what's behind Buddha to attach moss.
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