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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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11 Aug 2017 21:42 #1 by nomad (pat murphy)
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Fridge freezer kicked the bucket and my frozen bloodworms and other defrosted so have frozen them again in the new FF but am wondering are they ok to feed the fish or better take refuge in the trash bin,cheers..

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11 Aug 2017 21:49 #2 by robert (robert carter)
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Not sure about this ,all i would say is that defrosted food that has been refrozen is not suitable for human consumption , refrozen icecream can be extremly dangerous to eat . I think if it was me i would bin it . Does your house insurance cover you ?

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11 Aug 2017 21:53 #3 by nomad (pat murphy)
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No insurance Robert ,i will bin it so dont want the fish to suffer,cheers...

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11 Aug 2017 21:56 #4 by JohnH (John)
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If they weren't defrosted for too long I would say you'd be OK to continue using them.
Frozen bloodworms - and other frozen foods - are defrosted to be put into the little sections of the retail packs after being supplied in the bulk packs anyway - but obviously they aren't left in the defrosted state for longer than necessary.
I suggest that, provided they weren't 'liquid' for too long (so as to allow them to start deteriorating) you'll be fine (well, your fish will).

Any other comments/advice for Nomad?

John

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N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


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It's a long way to Tipperary.

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11 Aug 2017 22:08 #5 by nomad (pat murphy)
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To do or not to do so is the question,the fridge part totally packed up but the freezer part thats supposed to have the automatic defrost froze up like an iceburg but eventually packed up about 48 hours before getting a replacement......

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12 Aug 2017 09:53 #6 by Bill (Bill Hunter)
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I agree with John, they should be OK to use. Actually, the rule of dumping food that has thawed out and not re-freezing it for health reasons has more or less been rescinded. There is not the danger that was previously thought, no indication that it should cause problems for people or animals; unless it has been allowed to deteriorate prior to being refrozen. Open sections I would dump but intact cubes that are still sealed over should be fine.
Bill

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12 Aug 2017 14:07 #7 by nomad (pat murphy)
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Thanks for replies lads and interesting bit of info Bill,cheers....

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12 Aug 2017 23:16 #8 by damofoxo (Damien Fox)
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For what its worth ive fully thawed bloodworm and beefheart, fed the fish and refrozen numerous times and never had any ill affects. But I wouldnt feed them to the fish if they had been defrosted at room temperature for more than 12 hours. I reckon that would be bacteria heaven!

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18 Aug 2017 11:15 #9 by Ski (Alan McGee)
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I had bloodworms thaw on me before (not fully), and i froze them again not thinking. I then fed them to my then snakeheads and it killed them. Still pissed off with myself about it so i wouldn't take the chance

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19 Aug 2017 10:24 #10 by Bill (Bill Hunter)
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Are you sure that was what killed them and not something else that had the deadly effect and was disguised?
There is a lot of misinformation about re-freezing thawed-out frozen food. It would need to be thawed out in an open container, IE an open section of a pack, and would need to be in a thawed-out condition for several hours for the bacteria to multiply. Either that or the bloodworm became polluted with something. Slight thaw shouldn't be enough for bacteria to build to those levels. The proper way to use frozen food is to let it thaw otherwise you risk serious damage and possibly death for your fish from the chill, dropping frozen cubes of food into a tank is a common method of feeding frozen food, but it really shouldn't be practised.
Personally, I don't like feeding frozen food, I keep a pack in the freezer for emergencies and if it's not used I dump it and replace it every 6 months. Freezer burned food is not good food. If thawing to such a small extent is going to kill fish then we would all have dead fish. I've often eaten thawed and refrozen food, not fish food though, usually a steak or something :) and never had a problem myself. The only other reason that could happen is if the food was initially frozen with a high bacteria count, but the fact it thawed so slightly shouldn't cause such a high count. Thawing then re-freezing just doesn't give the bacteria sufficient time to multiply, the chilling/freezing prevent the bacteria multiplying. That's why we do it.
Bill

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