Epiplatys annulatus

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06 Jan 2016 21:24 #1 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
Hi all ,
I picked up 2 males and 1 female last week to add to my 2 females. I added a couple of spawn mops the other day and picked out 10 eggs this evening. I have them in a small tub with an inch of water floating in the parents tank. I've never seen eggs so small. Now if/when they hatch what would you recommend feeding them ? I only have liquifry and micro worms which I reckon will be to big. Would a squeeze from a sponge filter suffice for a few days until big enough for the worms ?
The next batch of eggs im going to leave on moist peat and see which method is better

Thanks Eric

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06 Jan 2016 22:19 - 06 Jan 2016 22:57 #2 by JohnH (John)
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You are right Eric, the Annulatus fry are indeed tiny.
I have used infusoria - particularly Paramecium in the past. Unfortunately I have allowed my cultures to 'lapse' so wouldn't be able to help you with a sztarter. I got the original starter off UK ebay, maybe there is still a seller over there?
Alternatively you could try getting a non-specific Infusoria culture started - in a different age I used to use a small particle of banana skin in water - it goes quite ?: cloudy at first, but once the water starts to clear you should see (with a magnifying glass) tiny creatures within the water. I wouldn't recommend using tap water though - try to collect some from a natural source (ie a lake - you mightn't get too close to a river just at the moment). If you start a culture going now it should be ready by the time the eggs start to hatch.
Your suggestion to use a sponge filter could work, but I have, personally, never used it with any Killies. I have used the egglayers Liquifry with limited success, but the fry always seem to get a better start to life when able to get living foods right from the 'off'.

Good luck with them.

John

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06 Jan 2016 22:29 #3 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
Thanks John ,
Would rain water work ? Also since my tanks are full of decaying leaves would a couple of pieces of them work as 1st food. Not the leaves themselves but everything that's on them

Eric

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06 Jan 2016 22:55 #4 by JohnH (John)
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I am thinking that rain water - being basically (naturally) distilled water would not have anything in it to begin the infusoria culture where water from a river, lake or even a pond would contain a tiny amount of the spores to get things under way.
But these things seem to be a constituent of airborne dust - so perhaps if you have a source of rain water which has been standing for any length of time it might well have enough in to get things started.
Colin (Puddlefish) did a short article on Paramecium culture in (of all places) the 'Articles' section - that makes for interesting reading too.

John

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15 Jan 2016 21:57 #5 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
Well the 1st one hatched today. Have 3 more eggs in this tub and another 8 or so in another tub. Hopefully I can raise plenty of youngsters from the group




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16 Jan 2016 17:59 #6 by anthonyd (Anthony Debesne)
Nice, hoppefully you will get a mix of feales and ales from them

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16 Jan 2016 21:13 #7 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
Thanks. Yea a mix would be great. They're laying pretty much everyday now so im sure ill be able to set up more trios once I get the rearing correct. I'm thinking of not removinga my eggs for a couple of weeks to see if any make it with the parents. I've some duckweed , beech leaves and hortwort in the tank so maybe


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17 Jan 2016 10:15 #8 by killikid (donald carson)
Hi Eric,If you you leave the older fry in the tank with the new hatchling's
they will eat them,you will have a better survival rate if you remove the
older one's.KK

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17 Jan 2016 10:45 #9 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
Cheers.
I've 3 free swimming fry and another 4-5 ready to hatch in the same tub so ill separate them today so.

Eric

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19 Jan 2016 10:35 #10 by igotadose (matt kaufman)
had lots of success in permanent setups with thick plants and a pair. Soon as I saw the babies, move parents to a similar tank and feed the babies newly hatched brine shrimp. Never had big success messing about with eggs for the reasons you list - hard to feed them, hard to keep infusoria going.

What location, do you know?

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19 Jan 2016 21:31 #11 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
No idea on location. I bought them from seahorse. Hoping to get a culture of paramecium from the UK this week so that should make it easier to feed them


Eric

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19 Jan 2016 21:39 #12 by igotadose (matt kaufman)
good luck with the paramecia. Never could keep them going very long, too many wild contaminants. Plus, don't make the killies too hard; ANN are one of those really suited to natural setups, not every killi requires you mess around picking eggs. Very nice fish, a big tankful is quite a sight.

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19 Jan 2016 21:49 #13 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
I might setup a tank with plenty of plants and let them work away themselves. I've have them in a bare enough tank at the minute. I only have a few leaves , hornwort and a couple of mops

Eric

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04 Mar 2016 21:42 #14 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)
Forgot to update this thread. I added a load of moss to the tank and ended up finding fry of different ages swimming around. I also removed some eggs and have hatcheda nd growing well.
I have some cultures of paramecium on the go so that's really helping the tiny fry.
I did lose the adult male so hopefully some will turn out male





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04 Mar 2016 21:57 #15 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
A great fish,lots of character.i had a few before but getting them to eggs stage was impossible to rear with other fish in the tank...they were great to watch...but liked to jump too!

Gavin

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15 Apr 2016 20:54 #16 by wildlifebiology93 (Sean O'Sullivan)
Have the Epiplatys continued to spawn for you Eric?

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15 Apr 2016 21:43 #17 by Eric (Eric Corcoran)

wildlifebiology93 wrote: Have the Epiplatys continued to spawn for you Eric?



I lost the male but still have the 2 females and about 10+ fry growing on. Hopefully ill get both sexes and breed them again soon

Eric

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