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03 Sep 2014 19:59 #1 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
So here is my bedraggled looking tank. I think my issue is mainly lack of nitrates/poor fertilisation. I am using Easy Carbo and Profito.

I ordered the EI starter kit today so I will post update pics over time to track improvements(hopefully). I will also be adding plants over time so even just as a progress post for myself it will be nice to have for review and hopefully it will prove useful or interesting to others


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03 Sep 2014 20:04 #2 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Hmmmm perhaps a less bedraggled IMHO pic would also be useful. So tank some time ago.


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04 Sep 2014 08:51 #3 by JohnH (John)
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This looks as though it could develop into an interesting thread - lots of people have shown an interest in EI dosing as opposed to liquid plant feeding regimes so here we have someone running a trial and being good enough to share his observations and results with us.
Speaking as probably the best plant killer in Ireland I will be watching progress with more than a little interest.

Thanks in advance Q.

John

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04 Sep 2014 11:47 #4 by swai (Simon)
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Yes I am interested indeed! Will be ordering a ei kit myself so looking forward to your progress and pros and cons!

Marino, Dublin 9

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04 Sep 2014 16:34 #5 by Aroshni (Lydia Olivera)
I was thinking in order them when I run out the liquid ferts I'm using. So I'm interested in this topic too.

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04 Sep 2014 16:44 #6 by swai (Simon)
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Lydia I wish I was the same, I have an unopened 5 liters of easy Carbo!

Marino, Dublin 9

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04 Sep 2014 16:55 - 04 Sep 2014 16:56 #7 by Aroshni (Lydia Olivera)
lol you like buying everything XXL don't you?
Btw don't know about EI too much but does the kit include CO2?
The only person I know was using this is Brian and since he has a CO2 sys didn't ask about that.
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04 Sep 2014 17:57 #8 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Hi

I'm glad there is some interest.

There is no CO2 in the kit so I'll be continuing to use EasyCarbo. That 5L won't go to waste Simon.

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11 Sep 2014 23:11 #9 by zabol001 (Marcin)

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11 Sep 2014 23:50 #10 by baan (Fintan Breen)
Hi

I've just started using EI (2 weeks ago) and so far so good. I've done a lot more pruning to keep the plants in check.. which is what I wanted! and i'd say it will keep improving as I manage it.

My understanding is that CO2 is nearly required but you can use a modified version for slower growth. I've had CO2 for a while now and it really does make a difference.

I'll be very interested to see your progress, and I'll post some photos of my tank's progress also in a few weeks.

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12 Sep 2014 22:01 - 12 Sep 2014 22:23 #11 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
So the kit arrived yesterday (11/9/14) got mixed and first dose this morning of macro.

As the tank is lightly planted I will not be using the full dose will be starting with 20 ml EI and 8 ml easy carbo lights for 10 hrs 2 x juwel T5 1 day and 1 natur.

Here are some plant pics, can't remember name of red plant but used to be large and healthy. Planning to plant 2 of the same plant 1 behind stones where the aqua basis is and 1 just in gravel to see if there is a difference.















They are a bit sad looking aren't they

Rgds
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12 Sep 2014 22:33 #12 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)

zabol001 wrote: I can recomended EI but i think you will need co2. Try we will see :)


Can't ignore advice from someone with that tank.

I think there may be some old wine making stuff around, maybe a DIY co2 could be tried. Gonna try with easy carbo for a while and see how it goes

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15 Sep 2014 16:54 #13 by Lauris (Lauris)
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of my personal experience diy co2 can lead in to algae problems very easily. especially with yeast + shugar mix. due to unstable co2 levels. also hustle to control and maintain.

it is worth to invest in co2 pressurised system.

ei dosage is calculated for avarage planted tanks with co2. without co2 you end up with nutrients stacked over the levels as plants cannot take them all. in the end it gets wasted

I am planted!

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15 Sep 2014 20:53 #14 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Hi Lauris

What % of the EI dose do you think would be enough for use with Easy Carbo?

Thx
Dec

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15 Sep 2014 21:21 - 15 Sep 2014 21:34 #15 by Lauris (Lauris)
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I would go for half to not waist minerals. but it is hard to say. dose half of the dose. easy carbo you can dose easy x2 of recommended.

set a frame for a 3 weeks and observe you plants. take a picture every week on whole tank and separate plant species. it'll be easier to see progress

also I'm dosing micro elements 2/3 of recommended as plants really cannot suck up all the phosphate and micro elements as recommended

this is how it looks now, taken just now with my phone (i know, crappy pic, no excuses.lol)

but the saturation of co2 and ei in water does work well for my plants
pearling like a mad. but to get there it may take month or more. plants
need to adjust to everything you providing them with

I am planted!
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15 Sep 2014 22:04 #16 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Thx Lauris

I will try half macro and 1/3 micro and max the easy carbo and see how it goes for 3 to 4 weeks. I will post weekly pics, warning they will be iPhone but should make the point.

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22 Sep 2014 20:24 #17 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
So here is a quick update first week in doing 15ml macro 10ml micro 3 days a week 10ml easy carbo daily. I think the plants are looking a bit better.








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22 Sep 2014 21:50 - 22 Sep 2014 21:53 #18 by Lauris (Lauris)
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looking good.

jut noticed you have lights on for 10hours a day. this is bit too much in my opinion. I would reduce it to 6 for a week, then if plants feel better leave it for another week and then if you see results increase the photo period for 30min a day. but I personally would not go over 7hours there after.

as more light you give to your plants as more demanding they are on Co2. easycarbo cannnot replace co2 injection, it just delivers carbon in acceptable amounts.

more light means more demand on carbon. if there is a lak of carbon plants are struggling to uptake minerals and gets weak. and then algae comes to take it over

even in my nanos I run 6-7hrs a day. now I have issues with green hair algae in my 60l scape - i turned lights back to 4 hours a day even with easy carbo and co2 injection

I am planted!
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23 Sep 2014 12:23 - 23 Sep 2014 12:25 #19 by zabol001 (Marcin)
Q_Comets dont forget to change about 20-30 % water every week.
First clean glass rocks remove death plants trim plants then change water.

Did you get Macro in one or seperate elements?
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23 Sep 2014 15:43 - 23 Sep 2014 15:43 #20 by Aroshni (Lydia Olivera)
Hey Q looks the plants are starting to show the good results.
I started with 6-8 light hours and reduced to 4-5 and still have healthy plants! True be told I have my tanks in a room with a 2 x 3 mts window.

I'm even have phoenix moss (growing slow but there it is) which is supposed to be a hard plant to keep without CO2.
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23 Sep 2014 18:49 #21 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
@zabol001

Was doing 30% weekly already will make sure getting rid of dead leaves and stuff.

Macro came separate but mixed it according to instructions.

@aroshni

This tank gets almost no daylight will probably drop lights to 8 hours was running 10 hours as I though this is how long the easy carbo should last

Thx all for the replies will take another set of ohotos in a week or two.

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14 Nov 2014 09:23 #22 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
So been a while but the plants are doing much better on the EI and also starting to win the algae battle, it did help that I noticed the kids messed with the timer giving me an extra 4 hours photo time.

Here is one example




Rgds
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31 Dec 2014 12:28 - 31 Dec 2014 12:30 #23 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Been a while thought I should update.

Here is a look at the red plant that was almost dead, I moved it as I though it was getting very little light. It is now planted in gravel only as there is no aquabasis in this part of the tank.





And here is a full tank shot




Sorry about quality, phone pics.

Rgds
Q
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31 Dec 2014 13:37 #24 by Aroshni (Lydia Olivera)
Q the tank looks great and the plants very healthy, I think is worth it using the salts even without CO2.

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31 Dec 2014 14:12 #25 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)

Aroshni wrote: Q the tank looks great and the plants very healthy, I think is worth it using the salts even without CO2.


Agreed, the salts were required everything was dying slowly and algae was taking over. I have easycarbo up to 12.5ml a day and the balance seems to be improving I may take it up to 15ml but I think that is my limit.

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31 Dec 2014 14:16 #26 by Lauris (Lauris)
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happily sorted. you have it. well done on winning the battle with algae

I am planted!

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31 Dec 2014 20:02 #27 by Joekinsella (joe Kinsella)
15ml? What size tank is that? How often do you replace your easycarbo seems that it could get pricey.

Location: Clogherboy Navan.

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31 Dec 2014 22:55 #28 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Hi joe

Using extra easycarbo as I have no CO2 currently paying €15/L think I may get 5L next time €12/L

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